Events in David Macks two books towards the end of that series ( A Time to Kill and A Time to Heal) have a profound impact throughout the rest of the Litverse. Me thinks that your issue is not that fans of nu trek are pandered to to feel better about themselves. Where did all the good writers go?? I think that she is one of the go-to people when there is hard science stuff to crack. No, from Starfleets POV its 3 years. I just dont remember if it was something I read years ago or if it was in an interview with Gene. DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. The door is open, I suppose, if that show should fail for some reason, but I doubt theyll just throw her back into the same role on the ship like nothing ever happened. The frequency and level of mockery and hate, very often is targeted to the female actors, for them to behave like women, to behave as woman leaders. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. Smart doesnt mean competent. Ichebs torture on Picard was horrible and the eating ganglia in S1, yikes! Obligatory mention of the stupid turbolifts and how dumb they are. David Ajala: The first thing that comes to mind, is maybe hes a borderline narcissist, vry egotistical, and self-absorbed. The mirror Tilly and the ISS Discovery appear in the "Mirror of Discovery" storyline in Star Trek Online, as part of the game's 9th anniversary in January 2019; she is voiced by Mary Wiseman, who also . Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. Gee, so some Trek fans can be @$$holes. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. Just more pandering. Jake is about 45-50 and one of the two lead characters. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. Be sure to watch Mary Wiseman "Killying it" as Ensign Sylvia Tilly on Star Trek: Discovery. It makes sense there would be and that they be a part of the medical team. I wonder if there is any news that she might be pregnant. You two are Michaels boyfriend and best friend, so does Michael becoming captain create any new tension in season four? Full Circle is pretty dark in some ways. (But then she has always reminded me, her looks and bubbliness, of my cousin who just so happens to be a wonderful teacher. . I suspect that Prodigy may use some of the elements that Beyer expanded or created for Full Circle without actually developing any of the overall story arc. It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. That finale appearance was basically a cameo. She is super meta. The actors are not slaves to the fans or public opinion. And, yeah, I've also heard a rumor about a potential Starfleet Academy series, and I'm assuming it's being set in the future setting of Discovery. David, has Michael becoming captain changed Books relationship with her? So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. Mary Wiseman told Forbes, It was tricky, but it was a really, really fun and satisfying challenge.. She is one of the best things about Discovery. If Tilly needed to pick up a phaser or be physically active then that means the Discovery is in some serious shit, with it either having been boarded and their entire security personnel neutralised, or with Tilly separated from the ship, most like due to its destruction. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. WTF this is why Ive been following Star Trek since the original in 1967 when I saw Nichelle Nichols. Just a heads up (even more way off topic), for those who liked SG , IMO the Atlantis book Legacy series was quite good, telling the story of what happened after the finale. Mary Wiseman: Well what is like the same root of Book but like the polar opposite expression of it? As an actress and a person I dont mind her at all, shes lovely. If you read what Mary and Sonequa are saying, they arent promoting any particular body style or fitness choice, just that they are as they are and only they have the right to choose how that should be. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. I think Mary is amazingly pretty and has absolutely nothing to worry about in terms of her figure. She is relatable and human and wonderful. And another way to look at it: at least its not another hour of tv taken by a reality show, right? The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. There is also the issue that a crew needing constant therapy sessions while regularly saving the galaxy is not an easy narrative trick to pull off. Tilly is a wonderful incarnation of our inner geekdom, a person you would find at conventions or in fanfiction I love this character so much because she isnt perfect. Somehow these insecure people feel others not like them are a threat to how they see themselves and how the world should, in their opinion, be. You misunderstood. In large part that is down to getting set in my ways with this franchise, so I have to temper my critiques with that knowledge. She never wouldve made it through the Academy. Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. Paradise was most likely referring to the shows production and creative teams. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. Shes a little overweighed, so what? Episodes will be. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? What do you think it looks like? From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. And for your own gain, right? Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. The show will roll out on Paramount Plus in the US, and is expected to stream on Netflix elsewhere. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. Took time to reset the franchise. Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. This was to reveal the true intents and emotions of the players in each plot, which highlights the role they play in momentous choices in high-stake situations. Heaven forefend women feel good about themselves! Though frankly, I find people like her generally seem more aware of their overall health and fitness than people who try to fit others images. Its just lazy writing. Overcome her issues. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. David Ajala: Ive never thought about that. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. I did, though. There are a number of places you can receive professional help and I strongly recommend you seek that help. Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. :). I expect that well have her in the world and all of those things. Everybody loves ., meant literally, is never true. It was so fun. If you cant deal with the idea of conflicting opinions then I really dont think you should be online at the moment. Not liking a character doesnt make a person a troll, so Im not even sure what that nonsensical comment was supposed to mean. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). And I just really love having Janeway back. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. Like her prime universe counterpart, Tilly was portrayed by Mary Wiseman.. Tilly was presumably killed when the Discovery was destroyed in the prime universe.. Apocrypha. That promise was. It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. In fact, at least on this website, I often see the contrary. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. Star Trek: Discovery threw a shocker into its latest episode as Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly decided to leave the Discovery crew. Learning? Its all pretty subjective. Only showing up for briefings when that specialty was needed for that particular situation. To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. By existing? And Tilly is the Trekkie. Absolutely. but it looks like she did simply did it because she was her friend and room mate. My best advice is to give some of the Litverse books a try and decide for yourself which writers appeal to you. I agree, the writing, character development, and story telling needs to improve. I have to agree. Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. They basically wrote her off the show! Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. But the show almost seems to go out of its way every season for some of the dumbest story points you can think of. I think theres room for it. With predictive spelling and multiple languages available, incorrect word choice is a constant threat even when one does type in the correct word. Acceptance? This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. Loved that show, so did my wife. Anyway it was just a thought. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. :-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. Its one thing thats definitely been improved upon by the more recent stuff. Tons do, yes. Book is Han Solo. Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. I never felt that what has come before should define the franchise in the future. Too nervous and anxious. That could explain the weight gain. I found him quite annoying, myself. And over the last couple of years, so have I. Im still not fond of the gory, violent Klingon business of the first couple of seasons, but I slowly began to see DISCO anew. Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. [1] Early life [ edit] Wiseman is the youngest daughter of Dorothy and Kevin Wiseman and has three older brothers. That said, I know people can be cruel and I am even worried bringing up this topic for fear of the idiot fringe piling on, but I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. She was annoying to me, and the crew gave her a lot of leeway. Sometimes it worked over amazing distances other times not. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. Everyone has their gifts. You know, like a psychotic murderer? Rather than shaming them or acting like there are only a few kinds of women worth aspiring to be. Its a problem in even some least developed countries now. ;). She wrote ten books based around this concept and still writing them. I gave this dumpster fire of far left propaganda 4 seasons. But its the elephant we have in the room, these days. Im sure many may NOT be a Janeway but could at least look at her and say thats what I aspire to be. Well, its certainly a good thing that Tilly is a fictional character, and neither she nor the woman who plays her (Wiseman) is in todays real-world Navy.. She doesnt inspire confidence. I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. It is incredibly bad and is a publicly dangerous message to be sending. Up ahead, we explain what happened to Tilly in the recent episode and also discuss actor Mary Wiseman's status on the show. I basically just know the books that gets discussed or reviewed here. Many smoke to keep the weight off. There are still things that bother me about the new trek too. I thought her arc was going to end with her being booted from the service for repeatedly failing physical fitness tests? It just happened. Stupid decision to bring her back. In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? She makes it all look so easy. The audience is growing due to our amazing loyalty, but I give them credit toobecause Discovery, we have all these new shows. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. Keep up the great work ladies! (80's for ya) Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. Let's get into the details of the actress's weight gain, which has also been linked to her pregnancy. Cant believe some fans complain about character A or B or C. I am sorry, but the obsessive complaining about Sonequa/Michael or Mary/Tilly, for who they are, is so rude. Sort of the same way Spock stayed first officer in the movies to Kirk although he was a captain for five of those films. Please back up your statement. Editor's note, 23 Dec 2020: If you like Wiseman's interview here, then you should also check out interviewer Dawn Ennis's other work. Martin-Green says she has come to accept changes in her body, especially after the birth of her second child shortly before production on season three: With my first pregnancy I bounced back without trying (which is a crime, by the way, that we expect women to do that after birth rather than focus on healing). Makes sense. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. A Stitch in Time kicks off the Garak/Cardassian books and is excellent. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! So many reasons to be critical of Disco plot holes, awful sense of morals, missed opportunities, etc. For me, DS9 was the best Star Trek Show for character development. Tilly is Trekdom. Tilly accepts herself but she rises to challenges, leads in a crisis, is there for her friends but still explores what she wants for *herself*, and mentors others to help them grow! Actually, the production team is not helping either. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. Hahahaha! 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The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). What I should point out though is that Mack earned the moniker Angel of Death among the Litverse fans. I agree 100%. Somewhere in the bowels of Secret Hideout, they invented a computer program that can cobble together scripts that fit various parameters. Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). Youre perfect as you are. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. No probably not. Thank you, Trek Movie Staff, for sharing my interview with your readers and providing a link to Forbes.com! Sad but true, yet we always opt to genuflect in the direction of the elephant. Have to completely agree you T2. Way too many issues. And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. Probably some admirals cousin. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Watch as SFX makeup transforms Doug Jones into Saru for Star Trek: Discovery. All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. Sure, its not perfect, we all have a nitpick here and there, but as long as it has a message, it revolves around people, and some cool science stuff, its trek to me. In season three Tilly was first officer and then acting captain; how does all of that affect who she is in season four? Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. I would ask our family doctor, Is there anything you can give me thatll make me gain weight?'. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. And we saw the results of all that. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. Tillys anxiety got old real fast. The accent is too colloquial. Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match. My personal opinion is, if you see ribs in their low decolletage, they are probably not so healthy. DSC had many issues at the beginning. I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? Youre saying she isnt believeable because she sounds like she has a 21st century *accent*? Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. Then there are many women like Sonequa, who feel theyre too skinny. Her body shape is fabulousshe is gorgeous. But Im just happy we are talking about Voyager again, especially since this show is basically a spin off of it! Sonequa is a great actress. Against all odds, shes in Starfleet and thriving. What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? Good for Mary! SuKal accidentally blowing up all warp ships thats another instance of Trek being intwined with my own life So you offend S3 of DSC, you also sully the memory of my mum and EVERY mother that ever died. The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. Personally I dont find that inspiring in any way whatsoever. This week's episode raised concerns. By being visible on your TV screen? Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. By the way, could of isnt English. Wiseman had other things to do. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. As soon as she was, they should have rewritten Tilly from being a cadet to being a lieutenant or something. Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. Mary Wiseman as Tilly in episode 402, Anomaly. People sit around a lot more nowadays for a lot of reasons. But respect is always earned and never enforceable. By: TrekMovie.com Staff This modern trend of celebrating obesity is what is wrong with American society, and is another reason why the rest of the world laughs at America. Mary Wiseman: That that could be a very powerful person in the Mirror Universe. Sincerely, obesity is defined in terms of the proportion of body fat associated higher risk of illness. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. Shes supposed to set the example. Has Tilly body-shaming outside of the Twitter imbeciles been a thing? I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. Mary Wiseman is a beautiful lady as is Sonequa Martin-Green. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. The immaturity of body shaming anyone is hateful and unacceptable. Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. | November 13, 2021 | TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Good points. Its a tricky one, as someone who is outside America and didnt have English as the first language growing up its more noticeable. Eh, only in some particular parts of the internet. Although criticism of a performance is valid (Burnhams whispering, over emoting etc.) At the other end, underweight is also unhealthy and associated with other risks, but gets less negative attention in entertainment. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. Its her, Adira, Stamets, and Reno who are the really hard science people. For me, generally speaking, when Barclay or Trois mom appeared it signaled a terrible episode in advance.
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